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		<title>By: Matt McLeod</title>
		<link>http://icanhazdot.net/2009/07/04/what-i-want-from-accounting-software/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt McLeod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 20:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are running our engineering business from three physical locations and are using cloud apps wherever possible - so we ended up settling on Saasu.  This is a great app, at a great price, with good support.

The only thing that sucks hard is the ability to customise invoice layouts, similar to your complaints in your blog.  You need to be able to code HTML and CSS to edit the underlying theme that is applied to the template.  I&#039;m sure many would say &quot;big deal&quot; but I not interested in learning HTML just to modify an invoice layout.  I guess its back to Google to find a developer who has experience with Saasu themes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are running our engineering business from three physical locations and are using cloud apps wherever possible &#8211; so we ended up settling on Saasu.  This is a great app, at a great price, with good support.</p>
<p>The only thing that sucks hard is the ability to customise invoice layouts, similar to your complaints in your blog.  You need to be able to code HTML and CSS to edit the underlying theme that is applied to the template.  I&#8217;m sure many would say &#8220;big deal&#8221; but I not interested in learning HTML just to modify an invoice layout.  I guess its back to Google to find a developer who has experience with Saasu themes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewen</title>
		<link>http://icanhazdot.net/2009/07/04/what-i-want-from-accounting-software/comment-page-1/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ewen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say trial them both and see how you go. It really is horses for courses. I think both Xero &amp; Clarity are totally worthy of consideration. So is Saasu. They are all active on developer and in their blogs &amp; community efforts. For me, that is a good sign. Ask them questions &amp; see whose answers you like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say trial them both and see how you go. It really is horses for courses. I think both Xero &amp; Clarity are totally worthy of consideration. So is Saasu. They are all active on developer and in their blogs &amp; community efforts. For me, that is a good sign. Ask them questions &amp; see whose answers you like.</p>
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		<title>By: tarch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tarch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Curious if there are any new updates here.  I am deciding between Xero and Clarity...still on the fence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious if there are any new updates here.  I am deciding between Xero and Clarity&#8230;still on the fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewen</title>
		<link>http://icanhazdot.net/2009/07/04/what-i-want-from-accounting-software/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ewen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This http://blog.xero.com/2009/11/xero-personal/ looks very interesting for someone like me - sole trader whose business and real life are tightly coupled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This <a href="http://blog.xero.com/2009/11/xero-personal/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.xero.com/2009/11/xero-personal/</a> looks very interesting for someone like me &#8211; sole trader whose business and real life are tightly coupled.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Spencer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a detailed review of accounting software!

Thanks for taking the time to look at all of these packages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a detailed review of accounting software!</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to look at all of these packages.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Mund</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glen Mund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sage ACCPAC&#039;s next Saas release is going to be fantastic. Wait for it!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sage ACCPAC&#8217;s next Saas release is going to be fantastic. Wait for it!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin George</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gavin George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very detailed analysis and we appreciate the mention. Just a couple of points you may not have been aware of:
- For your ABN/GST number to display on the invoice you need to enter this in the information field in preferences
- As a lot of our clients come from the design/creative industry we provide a customisable invoice service to ensure that our clients get the look and feel on their outbound communications that reflects their brand.

Cheers
Gavin

BDM WorkflowMax]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very detailed analysis and we appreciate the mention. Just a couple of points you may not have been aware of:<br />
- For your ABN/GST number to display on the invoice you need to enter this in the information field in preferences<br />
- As a lot of our clients come from the design/creative industry we provide a customisable invoice service to ensure that our clients get the look and feel on their outbound communications that reflects their brand.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Gavin</p>
<p>BDM WorkflowMax</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Lehmann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Lehmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a big market of sole traders out there not using accounting systems that we see. Rough rule of thumb is that 1 in 2 people who are sole traders dont use an accounting system. We don&#039;t specifically target that sector as we tend to take customers from other older style software products but we have many on our system now because they expect to &quot;grow into our product&quot; if you like. The price is small business friendly also which attracts them. They also trade widgets of some kind so we fit well on that front. When it comes to competing for sole traders who sell services it isn&#039;t as easy because we are up against a dozen other invoice SaaS products who each tend to have their own unique mix of features. 

Re the ABN info, I see a lot of uncertainty in this area all the time amongst customers and I think it&#039;s because their foreign buyers and local retail buyers often don&#039;t have ABN&#039;s that they may trick themselves into thinking they don&#039;t need to collect any info. That&#039;s why the ATO has the fallback address/contact info option to my understanding. The link you pointed out says that I just noticed &quot;Address or ABN&quot;. That said we go to Legislation or ATO specs for certainty in our approach with the design and development of Saasu.

Thanks for the followup :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a big market of sole traders out there not using accounting systems that we see. Rough rule of thumb is that 1 in 2 people who are sole traders dont use an accounting system. We don&#8217;t specifically target that sector as we tend to take customers from other older style software products but we have many on our system now because they expect to &#8220;grow into our product&#8221; if you like. The price is small business friendly also which attracts them. They also trade widgets of some kind so we fit well on that front. When it comes to competing for sole traders who sell services it isn&#8217;t as easy because we are up against a dozen other invoice SaaS products who each tend to have their own unique mix of features. </p>
<p>Re the ABN info, I see a lot of uncertainty in this area all the time amongst customers and I think it&#8217;s because their foreign buyers and local retail buyers often don&#8217;t have ABN&#8217;s that they may trick themselves into thinking they don&#8217;t need to collect any info. That&#8217;s why the ATO has the fallback address/contact info option to my understanding. The link you pointed out says that I just noticed &#8220;Address or ABN&#8221;. That said we go to Legislation or ATO specs for certainty in our approach with the design and development of Saasu.</p>
<p>Thanks for the followup <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cadbloke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cadbloke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Marc

Thanks for reading and for your comments. 

Firstly, my notion of the recipient&#039;s ABN being required on a valid tax invoice over $1000 is not correct. If you look at http://www.ato.gov.au/businesses/content.asp?doc=/content/50913.htm&amp;page=1#P47_2884 (the &quot;tax invoice&quot; link in the post) it says 
&lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;A valid tax invoice for taxable sales that total $1,000 or more must contain: ... 
# the ABN of the supplier 
# the name of the recipient 
# the address or ABN of the recipient&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
I&#039;m surely not going to argue the point and your example of a retail purchase is a very good one. I&#039;d be tempted to argue that the hypothetical retailers haven&#039;t issued a Tax Invoice that complies. Anyway, that&#039;s trivial. It is, however, important for me that you can at least optionally add the recipient&#039;s ABN to the Invoice.

I&#039;d like to see more sample data in the sample file. It would make it easier for newcomers to see what a work-in-progress looks like, particularly what you&#039;d see on the dashboard as far as aging receivables and suppliers goes.

You do make a valid point about Saasu being for perhaps larger businesses. I think I do need to be aware that the bulk of the market seeking out accounting solutions are generally as you describe, with inventories, payrolls and CRM issues to deal with. In that light my needs are more a blend of business and personal accounting in the rather unique manner of being a sole-trader, with no employees and no inventory.

I&#039;d be really interested to know if my particular needs are indeed and edge case or if there is a &quot;silent majority&quot; out there who want this. It could also be that I need to adopt a more accountantly (your new word for the day) approach to my book keeping and accounting. I&#039;m certainly no Bean-Counting Messiah. oh, no. Not by a long-shot.

cheers
Ewen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and for your comments. </p>
<p>Firstly, my notion of the recipient&#8217;s ABN being required on a valid tax invoice over $1000 is not correct. If you look at <a href="http://www.ato.gov.au/businesses/content.asp?doc=/content/50913.htm&#038;page=1#P47_2884" rel="nofollow">http://www.ato.gov.au/businesses/content.asp?doc=/content/50913.htm&#038;page=1#P47_2884</a> (the &#8220;tax invoice&#8221; link in the post) it says </p>
<blockquote><p> &#8220;A valid tax invoice for taxable sales that total $1,000 or more must contain: &#8230;<br />
# the ABN of the supplier<br />
# the name of the recipient<br />
# the address or ABN of the recipient&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m surely not going to argue the point and your example of a retail purchase is a very good one. I&#8217;d be tempted to argue that the hypothetical retailers haven&#8217;t issued a Tax Invoice that complies. Anyway, that&#8217;s trivial. It is, however, important for me that you can at least optionally add the recipient&#8217;s ABN to the Invoice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see more sample data in the sample file. It would make it easier for newcomers to see what a work-in-progress looks like, particularly what you&#8217;d see on the dashboard as far as aging receivables and suppliers goes.</p>
<p>You do make a valid point about Saasu being for perhaps larger businesses. I think I do need to be aware that the bulk of the market seeking out accounting solutions are generally as you describe, with inventories, payrolls and CRM issues to deal with. In that light my needs are more a blend of business and personal accounting in the rather unique manner of being a sole-trader, with no employees and no inventory.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be really interested to know if my particular needs are indeed and edge case or if there is a &#8220;silent majority&#8221; out there who want this. It could also be that I need to adopt a more accountantly (your new word for the day) approach to my book keeping and accounting. I&#8217;m certainly no Bean-Counting Messiah. oh, no. Not by a long-shot.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
Ewen</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Lehmann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Lehmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Cadbloke for the compare. 

Yes you won&#039;t see much on the dashboard without having any data. You can have a sample file, new customers get them fyi in AUS but not yet in NZ. Also Saasu has merge field to display customer ABN on tax invoices so we do cover that. I don&#039;t agree with your tax view but I can&#039;t correct you (not being a tax advisor). I will say this. When I personally buy something for more than $1,000 from Target or Kmart they won&#039;t make me give them an ABN but as a business owner I can ask them to put my ABN on their tax Invoice. 

Lastly we are about transaction automation, inventory, payroll predominantly so we tend to get more attention as business get larger or have multiple sales channels and outlets to deal with. So its a bit like comparing an Apple to two Oranges. But as a customer that&#039;s not relevant to you specifically so I totally appreciate your view.

Great reading :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Cadbloke for the compare. </p>
<p>Yes you won&#8217;t see much on the dashboard without having any data. You can have a sample file, new customers get them fyi in AUS but not yet in NZ. Also Saasu has merge field to display customer ABN on tax invoices so we do cover that. I don&#8217;t agree with your tax view but I can&#8217;t correct you (not being a tax advisor). I will say this. When I personally buy something for more than $1,000 from Target or Kmart they won&#8217;t make me give them an ABN but as a business owner I can ask them to put my ABN on their tax Invoice. </p>
<p>Lastly we are about transaction automation, inventory, payroll predominantly so we tend to get more attention as business get larger or have multiple sales channels and outlets to deal with. So its a bit like comparing an Apple to two Oranges. But as a customer that&#8217;s not relevant to you specifically so I totally appreciate your view.</p>
<p>Great reading <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cadbloke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cadbloke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cheers, Philip. I figure of I don&#039;t let you know what I want then I&#039;ve no right to expect you to deliver it. Thanks for taking an interest. Let me know if you&#039;d like me to clarify anything.

cheers
Ewen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers, Philip. I figure of I don&#8217;t let you know what I want then I&#8217;ve no right to expect you to deliver it. Thanks for taking an interest. Let me know if you&#8217;d like me to clarify anything.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
Ewen</p>
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		<title>By: cadbloke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cadbloke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Updated: I&#039;d really love to be able to set apportionment rates for expenses to make life a lot easier at tax-time. I updated the post with details. If you&#039;d like to follow the discussion here (mostly consisting of me talking to myself) then subscribe to the comments (top-left).

Please let me know whether you&#039;d rather see updates in the post or should I post updates as a comment here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Updated: I&#8217;d really love to be able to set apportionment rates for expenses to make life a lot easier at tax-time. I updated the post with details. If you&#8217;d like to follow the discussion here (mostly consisting of me talking to myself) then subscribe to the comments (top-left).</p>
<p>Please let me know whether you&#8217;d rather see updates in the post or should I post updates as a comment here.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Fierlinger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Fierlinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@cadbloke it&#039;s great to see this level of detailed analysis. Thanks for putting it out there. We consider this extremely useful feedback. 

Pretty much everything you want is already on our to-do list. Some things will be coming sooner than others.

Cheers.
Philip

Head of Design, Xero]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cadbloke it&#8217;s great to see this level of detailed analysis. Thanks for putting it out there. We consider this extremely useful feedback. </p>
<p>Pretty much everything you want is already on our to-do list. Some things will be coming sooner than others.</p>
<p>Cheers.<br />
Philip</p>
<p>Head of Design, Xero</p>
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		<title>By: cadbloke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cadbloke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doh! I actually looked at 88 Miles and forgot all about it. I&#039;ll hadd it to the post. Yes, it&#039;s quite nice and straightforward. Good pricing too. The only thing I could fault it on was that you could enter a shift manually (good - yay!) but you could not deduct time in the shift for a break. I wonder if they will interface with Xero anytime soon?

Corneliu - did you take a look at Xero? I&#039;d like to hear your thoughts on it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh! I actually looked at 88 Miles and forgot all about it. I&#8217;ll hadd it to the post. Yes, it&#8217;s quite nice and straightforward. Good pricing too. The only thing I could fault it on was that you could enter a shift manually (good &#8211; yay!) but you could not deduct time in the shift for a break. I wonder if they will interface with Xero anytime soon?</p>
<p>Corneliu &#8211; did you take a look at Xero? I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts on it</p>
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		<title>By: Corneliu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corneliu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t you use www.88miles.net for the detailed work log and just use Saasu for the invoices.
That works quite nicely.
Regarding depreciation it would be great if Saasu would support it.
Corneliu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you use <a href="http://www.88miles.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.88miles.net</a> for the detailed work log and just use Saasu for the invoices.<br />
That works quite nicely.<br />
Regarding depreciation it would be great if Saasu would support it.<br />
Corneliu</p>
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